Very well said. IMO it is his hyper-competitiveness that creates the friction for him. Competitiveness is an odd quality/trait. Not enough is not good as is too much.
Ahh, listen to the fear!!!
Very well said. IMO it is his hyper-competitiveness that creates the friction for him. Competitiveness is an odd quality/trait. Not enough is not good as is too much.
I would expect this to mainly be based on the kind of support that he receives from administration (academic allowances, less overshight, etc.) as well as the kind of offers he gets from the NFL (mainly the same things...how autonomous will he be allowed to be)
Personally, I'd be surprised if Harbaugh left in less than 3 years but also surprised if he's there much more than 5-6 years
You must be 15 years old, maybe. Your only argument is , listen to the fear. Weak!If you want to come to a Michigan board that is great. But be prepared to talk your team as well if you want to open up the discussion. It says quite a bit to hear a ND fan come over here and talk as if he is an expert about the other team. Yet ignores the GLARING deficiencies his own team faces. And keep telling yourself LSU was a top-25 team then. Sure, they may have been ranked. But lets be hones, they didn't beat anybody and were there because of reputation of being in the SEC only, much like ND
You must be 15 years old, maybe. Your only argument is , listen to the fear. Weak!
Huh?Hey Fork. When was the last time sparty won the title in football? If you want to come on over, well come on down then. Let's talk about the "never was" and the "has been" in spart-y and ND, respectively!!!!
If you want to come to a Michigan board that is great. But be prepared to talk your team as well if you want to open up the discussion. It says quite a bit to hear a ND fan come over here and talk as if he is an expert about the other team. Yet ignores the GLARING deficiencies his own team faces.
Unfortunately for Michigan, neither ND nor MSU have many GLARING deficiencies. I would include TE & K as positions that may not be as good in years past. ND is posed to have an offensive line & defensive backfield on par with anyone in the country. Pair the o-line with 2 very good running backs (Torean Folston & CJ Prosise) & Malik Zaire at QB, & big things are expected out of the running game. All wide receivers return, including Will Fuller, who caught 15 TDs last season. All members of the D-Line are also set to return, including 4 year DT Sheldon Day. DT, Jarron Jones is coming off a late season injury but he will be platooned by early enrollee Jerry Tillery, who has impressed everyone this spring. Look for him to be a freshman All-American. The LBs include an athletic, hard hitting sophomore Niles Morgan & junior dark horse Heisman candidate Jaylon Smith. A lack of an elite edge rusher will keep the defense from being elite though.
I will defer to @roaringfork green to speak the specifics of MSU.
As for Michigan, I see their biggest deficiencies at OL & QB but they really don't have much talent at any position outside of a redshirt freshman safety.
If you want to come to a Michigan board that is great. But be prepared to talk your team as well if you want to open up the discussion. It says quite a bit to hear a ND fan come over here and talk as if he is an expert about the other team. Yet ignores the GLARING deficiencies his own team faces. And keep telling yourself LSU was a top-25 team then. Sure, they may have been ranked. But lets be hones, they didn't beat anybody and were there because of reputation of being in the SEC only, much like ND
Exactly right on the talent level at Stanford. An even better example of this is with the 49ers, who were perennial losers. What happened as soon as Harbaugh arrived?
No kidding. I went to the free board and it is littered with spartans that know their run is over....they are very worried, and realize their little cycle of winning that comes every few generations is almost over again.So far so bad? Being a 'tard must suck. Good evaluation as we haven't played any games yet.
Interesting that so many spartoons feel the need to come to a UM site and tell us how they're not worried about Harbaugh. Which means they're worried about Harbaugh...
No kidding. I went to the free board and it is littered with spartans that know their run is over....they are very worried, and realize their little cycle of winning that comes every few generations is almost over again.
This is a very poor comparison, as HARBAUGH doesn't have free agency or the draft to help him rebuild the team.
In the NFL there is great parity in raw talent between teams, by design. This is why you literally most never see teams go unseated, while it's common place in college.
While HARBAUGH has more talent at Michigan than he did at Stanford (literally none) it's still a much better comparison of situations than an nfl te, which operates under a completely different rule set built to accommodate completely different goals.
Lao, while HARBAUGH is a good coach and talent identifier/developer, he was fortunate at Stanford with the ridiculous success of Andrew Luck. He's unlikely to find a player on that level while at Michigan, which makes the rebuilding harder.
You have to judge each situation and team on it's own merits, and 2015 Michigan just doesn't have any appearance of real quality
Hey Deck: You sure know lots of things about Jim Harbaugh and you have posted an impressive number os stats and info about both Michigan football and Harbaugh on a personal level. This is highly impressive information for Michigan fans to know and understand. All of the numbers and data will mean so much going into this season and the predictions you have made based upon these numbers are surely to doom the Michigan football program and Harbaugh will only stay at UM for 3 years max. I love this and think you would be a valuable asset for the U.S. Government by having the ability to predict future outcomes and events based upon YOUR data collections. Since your crunching numbers and offering such a valuable service for free right now on this board. please post all informaiton you have on your Irish this year and the numerous amount of service academies you may have on your schedule this year. I was wondering if the Coast Guard comes to South Bend or do have to play them away? Please also include all future outcomes for Harbaugh and Michigan football through 2030. Please do this so we Michigan fans can stop buying tickets because our program is going to fold by then. Over the past seven years, at least we knew we probably not be that good, yet we beat the Irish more than beat us during this span! Also, we didn;t trip the regular season goign undefeated by playing an easy schedule which included a bad Michigan team only to embarrassed on national TV by Alabama. But hey, you are NOTRE DAME and the NUMBERS prove that you should have played that game and that Coach K is one of the greatest college football coaches ever. The numbers actually proved you should not have been in that game at all all my friend. But hey-you made it there and it was great entertainment.
Too many words for you to handle?Lol, too long, didn't read. Do you even paragraph, bro?
And so is Hairball!Dantonio is an ass kicking away from being the afterthought that Tuberville was at Auburn pre-Saban.
You're not paying attention.I agree. In the series against Michigan, he has enjoyed the "lost years" of Michigan football beginning with that clown from West Virginia and ending with the clown fron 'San Diego State" Before that, MIchigan State ocassionaly would beat Michigan. Those years are over now. The Spartans may get the Wolverines this year and that is a big maybe but they will begin receiving their season ass whippings on a regular basis very soon. Harbaugh will then say. "Pride comes before the ass kicking" befoire each game.
You need therapy. So angry. As soon as you accept MSU is not going anywhere as long as Dantonio is in charge, the better you'll start to feel. When was the last time UM had back to back top 5 finishes? I'd say that's doing a little better than okay.To what? your upcoming ass kickings? and wiping the smirk off of the Tressell clone Dicktonio's face! Who cares that MSU has been OK the last 7 years and I mean OK. They SUCKED over the past 20 years so at some point they should have a little success. How many national championships have you won under Dicktonio????? Answer that one roaring spoon!!!! Even out the Rich Rod and Hoke years-no one has looked as stupid as John L Smith slapping himself on national TV. Now that's a winner bud!!!!
Sounds to me like you're trying really hard to convince yourself That UM might be relevant again. I think it will happen but it's gonna take a few years. And oh by the way, Dantonio is doing okay on the recruiting trail, also. Do you think Harbaugh would hire Mike Hart as an assistant? I'd love to see that and he'd fit in nicely with that crew.You have done OK bud and nothing more. Great seasons the past two years, and a good run during the down yeras at UM. However, you have not won the national championship like the Bucks did last year. Not going to happen either. Look at Harbaugh's recruiting and that should make you sick enough. Just picked up another great recruit out of FLORIDA!! I would be very worried about Michigan in the next few years because Harbaugh is the real deal. I do think that Dantonio is a good coach I just think he is a Tressel the cheater disciple and he is an arrogant jack ass to boot. The Spartans have done NOTHING nationally except pick up a little respect here and there. That asskicking you took in Florida a few years back by Bama was hilarious as well. Hell, when we went to a bowl we knew we sucked before we went there. Everyone in football goes on a run now and then and that is what you have done nothing more. Auburn and Tennessee used to say the same about Bama during their lean years until the beast Saban arrived. Well the beast has arrived in Ann Arbor and his name is not Rod Or Hoke. Michigan is going to be even better than ever were under Carr and you guys are going to get smacked in the mouth. Can't wait to watch Tresstonio and that dumb look on his face when it happens.
I spend time on this board because guys like you are hilarious! Are you a stand up comic in real life?I could care less about Mike Hart joining Michigan. I am glad he hired Tyrone Wheatley in the RB position though. I used to really like Michigan State since my sister is an alumni, however, the ridiculous and arrogant comments made by your coach and some of your fans have soured me on the Spartans over the years. Dantonio is a jackass plain and simple and some of his players have taken on his personality with their cheapshot play on the field. His hiring into East Lansing was nothing more than perfect timing in the Michigan series because it was the end of Carr and the "lost Michigan" years from 2008-2015. Those years have made him look superior and quite frankly eveyone else. The Spartans have had coaches in the past who were as good as him including Nick Saban who is obviously better because of what he has done in Tuscaloosa. Dantonio's affiliation with Tressel is sickening because Tress built OSU into a national power by doing it illegally. I do not like Meyer, however, I respect much more than Tressel even though he let Florida run wild on the crime trail. Finally, I don't have to convince myself of anything about Michigan football and where it is headed. They hired the BEST coach in game right now and he will win big at Michigan. I think you know that as well and that is why you spend so much time on our website. Run along now and blog with the Tresstonio's and dream of that big ring with NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP written on the side of it. It's only a dream roaring spoon...only a dream
All you have to do is stop responding to my replies, you fool, and I'll run along. No offense but you'll never be confused with the sharpest knife in the drawer! No wonder you live in South Carolina. You must fit in well there.run along spoon..... run along... we have a winner to discuss here in Ann Arbor. The Tresstonio's need some blogging too. MSU Rivals needs your input and you can start a new post titled: The Force Returns: The Rise of Darth Harbaugh
7-5 is a pretty good expectation
I thought JH would kill it on the recruiting trail from Day 1. He's not done terrible but not exceptionally well ether. michigan fans will have a longer road back to being the B1G's second best team than a lot of you hoped.
We don't know if he'll receive extra control, academic allowances, reduced ovresight, etc.? Or we don't know if those matter to him?
I agree that we don't know if he'll receive them (at a major academic school like Michigan, with it's very structured culture, I doubt it...but no way to know for sure)
And why would I be surprised if he was there more than 5-6 years?
1.) He hasn't really been anywhere longer than that. As a head coach, his average tenure has been 3.5 years....that can change, but it's usually a decent indicator
2.) He's famous for "wearing out his welcome" with administration, and UM is famous for having an over-involved administration...again, it could change....but....
3.) It's beyond clear that he wants to win at the NFL level (he took the 49ers job over Michigan the last time around)
4.) He's HYPER-COMPETITIVE and it seems very unlikely that he's not going to take another run at matching the acheivments of his brother (John Harbaugh) and #1 rival (Pete Carroll) and win a Super-Bowl
5.) NFL teams will come calling often, as he's a proven commodity at that level, which is a rarity. Sooner or later, someone is going to offer him the perfect situation in the NFL....it will be very tough to turn down
No way to say for sure, but there are VERY good reasons to believe that he's not going to be Michigan's HC past the 2020 season (imo)
All you have to do is stop responding to my replies, you fool, and I'll run along. No offense but you'll never be confused with the sharpest knife in the drawer! No wonder you live in South Carolina. You must fit in well there.
Don't worry domer, as usual your opinion don't mean shit. Whether you agree or not. Your opinion is worthless. Losers! His wife was a major part of his decision to come home.You can say all you want to convince yourself that he's staying forever, if it makes you feel better
The reality of the situation, of course, doesn't reflect those things. Jim Harbaugh has never been at any destination long and that's due to a variety of reason...basically none of which have changed with him taking a job at Michigan
Additionally, his wife said the exact same things about moving away from the West Coast/Bay Area and never moving back to the midwest (just a couple months ag). Tell me, how did those declarations work out?
Again, tell yourself whatever you want to. The reality is, while it's possible Jim Harbaugh stays at Michigan for the long haul, it's very unlikely. It's far more likely that he'll move on in 5-6 years, as he has always done
Sorry buddy
No his lips are attached to the front side.You will never "run along". The only time you stop posting on the UM board is when your lips are attached to Dantonios' butt checks.