It's interesting to see Butch Jones, Saban, and others speak against the camps....

[michigangoblue999]

and then you see tons of athletes who are blasting the NCAA for the ban.

Are the southern coaches not worried about how this makes them look in the eyes of the athletes? I don't understand it.

Saban says he doesn't think the camps have value and then dozens of players say the camps helped them out. So who is right? The players are lying, Nick? Is that it? I wish somebody would ask him that question.

Butch Jones says he is glad that the camps were banned, but had been planning his own camps if they weren't. Gee, Butch, if the camps are wrong, why would you hold them? That's some great sense of morality, you got there, buddy.

 

[GoBlue_since1985]

and then you see tons of athletes who are blasting the NCAA for the ban.

Are the southern coaches not worried about how this makes them look in the eyes of the athletes? I don't understand it.

Saban says he doesn't think the camps have value and then dozens of players say the camps helped them out. So who is right? The players are lying, Nick? Is that it? I wish somebody would ask him that question.

Butch Jones says he is glad that the camps were banned, but had been planning his own camps if they weren't. Gee, Butch, if the camps are wrong, why would you hold them? That's some great sense of morality, you got there, buddy.

Just more fuel to add to Harbaugh's pitch to recruits. Saban, and Butch are practically digging a trench around themselves by saying stuff like that.

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

and then you see tons of athletes who are blasting the NCAA for the ban.

Are the southern coaches not worried about how this makes them look in the eyes of the athletes? I don't understand it.

Saban says he doesn't think the camps have value and then dozens of players say the camps helped them out. So who is right? The players are lying, Nick? Is that it? I wish somebody would ask him that question.

Butch Jones says he is glad that the camps were banned, but had been planning his own camps if they weren't. Gee, Butch, if the camps are wrong, why would you hold them? That's some great sense of morality, you got there, buddy.

So far the only recruits I've seen coming out against the ruling are Michigan guys. Face it, the 4 and 5* guys are unaffected by the ruling - it's the 2 and some 3* guys that are going to suffer.

That and every school that isn't P5. The smaller schools put a lot of stock in those camps and events.

 

[GoBlue_since1985]

So, then it's still affecting athletes. Stars or no stars, it doesn't matter.

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

Harbaugh has already made his hay with the camps, so it won't affect us much. Besides, I'm interested what his next move will be.

If it was Hoke and not Harbaugh conducting camps, I'm pretty sure they'd still be going on - Harbaugh is a lightening rod and has a natural ability to get other coaches riled up. I foresee a lot of headaches in opposing coach's futures.

 

[michigangoblue999]

If you look at the #ChangeNCAA hashtag on Twitter, there are MSU players and lots of high school players who are talking about the ban being a bad thing. There have been some coaches speaking against the ban as well. Overall it seems like the NCAA looks bad on this.

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

Well, I for one want to leave a flaming bag of dog shit on Emmert's front porch.

Here's the thing:
- It has taken 5 years for the ncaa to rule on UNC.
- It took almost as long to screw up the Miami ruling.
- They are still bungling the whole Penn State thing.
- It took maybe a month to come up with this ruling and is effective immediately. That was pretty efficient.


Kind of interesting, no?

 

[michigangoblue999]

Alabama high school athletes unhappy that satellite camps have been banned:

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2016/04/alabama_recruits_disappointed.html

 

[michnittlion]

Well, I for one want to leave a flaming bag of dog shit on Emmert's front porch.

Here's the thing:
- It has taken 5 years for the ncaa to rule on UNC.
- It took almost as long to screw up the Miami ruling.
- They are still bungling the whole Penn State thing.
- It took maybe a month to come up with this ruling and is effective immediately. That was pretty efficient.


Kind of interesting, no?

How is the NCAA "still bungling the whole Penn State thing"???

The UNC thing does confuse me. The Wainstein Report (sort of like the Freeh Report) basically WAS the investigation. Yet here we are, 18 months later, still waiting a ruling.

I don't particularly care what the ruling is, it's just confusing as to why there still is not one. It took 10 days from Freeh Report release to NCAA judgment. The UNC case has taken 54 times (and counting) longer!

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

How is the NCAA "still bungling the whole Penn State thing"???

The UNC thing does confuse me. The Wainstein Report (sort of like the Freeh Report) basically WAS the investigation. Yet here we are, 18 months later, still waiting a ruling.

I don't particularly care what the ruling is, it's just confusing as to why there still is not one. It took 10 days from Freeh Report release to NCAA judgment. The UNC case has taken 54 times (and counting) longer!

With their ban hammer then lifting sanctions early etc.

 

[michnittlion]

With their ban hammer then lifting sanctions early etc.

I half-suspected it on July 23rd, 2012. There was a tacit understanding even then that as long as PSU leadership (a) didn't actively fight things in the immediate-term, and (b) showed progress toward reform in the longer-term, they would be eligible for early parole.

And that's what happened.

PSU/NCAA really shouldn't be compared to anything else in NCAA history (yes, I know, I did it myself in referring to the Wainstein Report ). I get it, I get why the NCAA dropped the hammer. But there is nobody that really benefits from Penn State having a "permanent scarlet letter." The lifting of sanctions was a way to attempt to make that a "non-permanent" scarlet letter. Penn State admitted errors, served a rather severe penalty, showed progress toward doing better while serving said penalty, and will do better in the future. That earns parole, but shouldn't set a precedence toward parole in other cases.

 

[Reality Man]

There is ONE good reason to ban satellite camps if UM fans were honest with themselves. All the satellite camps are going to be held in talent fertile areas. You are going to get saturation and the main intent is to recruit and not necessarily teach.

Are satellite camps going to be held in Detroit? Out of 100 satellite camps...the concentration of camps will be in Ohio, Tx, CA and Florida. Don't you consider that at least a slight problem.

I don't agree with the NCAA decision but in the interest of geographical fairness...


RM

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

There is ONE good reason to ban satellite camps if UM fans were honest with themselves. All the satellite camps are going to be held in talent fertile areas. You are going to get saturation and the main intent is to recruit and not necessarily teach.

Are satellite camps going to be held in Detroit? Out of 100 satellite camps...the concentration of camps will be in Ohio, Tx, CA and Florida. Don't you consider that at least a slight problem.

I don't agree with the NCAA decision but in the interest of geographical fairness...


RM

There is a large one in Detroit (sound mind sound body) that was especially positive and is now done because of that stupid rule. Kids from the inner city were given a chance because of that camp. Do you think this affects Michigan? Not really.

It f's over those kids and smaller schools. Period. To think otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[Reality Man]

Fair point. You are definitely right that the 'lesser' recruit is hurt by not being able to advertise themselves. Athletes who may want to get the attention of schools outside their region who would like to come down to Florida or Texas and the athlete lives in Mississippi and is willing to travel a little bit with some other kids.

The NCAA has got a PR problem on their hands right now because more good comes out of the satellite camps for underrated guys vs. bigger schools getting to scout.


RM

 

[michigangoblue999]

There is a large one in Detroit (sound mind sound body) that was especially positive and is now done because of that stupid rule. Kids from the inner city were given a chance because of that camp. Do you think this affects Michigan? Not really.

It f's over those kids and smaller schools. Period. To think otherwise is ridiculous.

This is the ironic thing about all of this. In trying to shut down Harbaugh, the NCAA has created a lot of collateral damage to the have-nots of college football.

Some of the commentary is ridiculous. If Harbaugh was doing too many camps, why not just limit the number?

By the way, SBSM is still going to happen, but coaches cannot attend. Curtis Blackwell was on Sam's show this morning. The podcast is worth a listen.

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

This is the ironic thing about all of this. In trying to shut down Harbaugh, the NCAA has created a lot of collateral damage to the have-nots of college football.

Some of the commentary is ridiculous. If Harbaugh was doing too many camps, why not just limit the number?

By the way, SBSM is still going to happen, but coaches cannot attend. Curtis Blackwell was on Sam's show this morning. The podcast is worth a listen.

Yeah? Link please. Never mind, I'm listening now.
SBSM does a lot of good by all accounts. I'm glad it's still going.

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

Classic. Yeah, that's right Mike. Keep poking that bear.

 

[ChicagoBlueFan]

Classic. Yeah, that's right Mike. Keep poking that bear.

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