Thoughts on Weber Situation With OSU

[scfanblue]

After reading about the situation with the Weber kid from Cass Tech I have just a few thoughts on the matter and wonder how others feel. It's a bummer that the RB coach gained the confidence of this kid and then suddenly bolted on him, however, that is the nature of the coaching business. The coach obviously was not honest with the kid to keep him committed. The outcry by the kid and his mother is an understandable reaction. On the other hand, this kid was highly recruited, however, it is doubtful that he is the best RB in the Midwest or the nation for that matter. The arrogance of this teenager has been fostered by the adults around him. He has not played one snap of big football yet. Also, I have to question his coach Wilcher and the Cass Tech program he is running and mentoring. have any of their big time recruits really materialized when going to the next level? I am thinking of the Campbell kid and Boubacar Cissoko at Michigan. What about the Jayru Campbell stuff and the actions of that team when they were beaten by other teams? I wish Weber much luck but the history of his high school program has not been good at the next level. I'm glad he went to OSU and also glad Harbaugh snagged the Florida kid.

 

[GoBlueJagaloon]

I was never that high on the kid. I thought he'd make a nice career backup. He just doesn't seem that special of a player. Maybe he proves me wrong and becomes the next Mark Ingram.

 

[amayznblue]

Wasn't he tearing it up at the UA or AA game a short while back?
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[scfanblue]

Originally posted by amayznblue:
Wasn't he tearing it up at the UA or AA game a short while back?
Posted from Rivals Mobile
Does not matter. Still has not played one snap of football at OSU. Time will tell. I am still glad he did not go to Michigan with his "I am King" mentality. That might not have gone over well with Harbaugh. I think ole Jim may find a few good RB's during his coaching tenure in Ann Arbor.

 

[Double Buck]

Weber hasn't acted poorly at all. Not at all.

The grown-ups - on both sides - failed.

And - this story died days ago.

 

[goblue31602]

Agree, good post.

The move OSU pulled with the coaches was a slick one, but they're far from the only school that has done this. Shoot, Michigan did it right after the 2006 signing class.

 

[Heisenburg]

Hopefully Webber stays pissed, but takes that extra engery and puts it into becoming a better football player.

It's been a long time since i have got such conflicting reviews on a prospect from people i trust. Some say he's going to be the best RB in this class, other say he's going to be a complete flop or carrer backup. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[goblue31602]

Well, let's just say that some Michigan fans who follow closely are not extremely upset that we're not the sole proprietors of the Cass Tech pipeline. Lots of star power, not much production.

Originally posted by Heisenburg:

Hopefully Webber stays pissed, but takes that extra engery and puts it into becoming a better football player.

It's been a long time since i have got such conflicting reviews on a prospect from people i trust. Some say he's going to be the best RB in this class, other say he's going to be a complete flop or carrer backup. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[klemman]

Webber, or any prospect, may be an All-American or career backuo. That's why it's never about recruiting the one stud 5 Star for a position that makes for a good recruiting class or team. It's about accumulation of talent so if someone doesn't pan out or gets injured, there's someone else who can achieve greatness.

 

[goblue31602]

Exactly, In our 2004 class, Max Martin was our stud RB, and then we had a moderately recruited guy in Mike Hart who ended up Michigan's all time career rushing leader. In Jake Ryan's class, his teammate Scott McVey received a lot of great offers, and I think Michigan was Jake's only power 5 offer.

I was just saying that Cass Tech has produced a lot of recruiting star talent, but hasn't exactly produced a lot of college talent.

 

[klemman]

Goblue, I understand that sometimes what are considered can't miss prospects end up being prospects that miss. Who are the Cass players who have turned out? I'm not familiar enough to know.

With Cleveland Glenville, OSU's so-called pipeline, there have been guys who haven't lived up to the billing,, but we still saw Dontre Whitner, Troy Smith, and Tedd Ginn Jr. To name a few who panned out. And you guys got Pierre Woods.

 

[goblue31602]

To name the guys on Michigan who came from Cass Tech, you have...

William Campbell - not 5* production by any means, got drafted as an OL after playing mediocre DL here
Boubacar Cissoko - Rivals100 - kicked off team and arrested after 2 very poor seasons. Would trash talk receivers after an incompletion (when the ball was incomplete simply because of an errant throw to an open guy) and would get burned if the throw was accurate.
Teric Jones - 3*, I dont' think he made it 4 years
Thomas Gordon - 3*, "meh" career
Delonte Hollowell - 4*, career backup
Terry Richardson - 4*, career backup
Royce Jenkins Stone - 4*, may get a chance to start this year as a senior. Mostly special teams and backup lb so far
We have a few others but they're newer and too young to determine how good they'll be.


From other schools
Dior Mathis - 4* #177 to Oregon. I believe he essentially played special teams
Vernon Gholston - Great career, but did steroids have an impact?
Joe Barksdale - Said no to Michigan because we wanted him on the OL (rated as DL), went to LSU and got switched to OL, made it to the NFL.


This post was edited on 2/13 1:35 PM by goblue31602

 

[klemman]

Thanks Goblue. That's a heck of a list. Were they all just overrated or are there other factors. I keep hearing about this great pipeline to Michigan and how OSU is trying to make inroads there.

 

[goblue31602]

It's hard to say, because they could have shown a lot of potential, but didn't get coached up properly. I'm not really sure why, but our Cass Tech haul has made the recruiting class #'s infinitely more impressive than their actual output. David Dawson and Jourdan Lewis (both 4* guys from 2013) have the potential to buck the trend a little bit, but after Hollowell, Richardson, and Cissoko (and Mathis in Oregon), it's hard to get excited about a 4* defensive back from CT.

Every recruit is different obviously, but it makes you wonder if for some reason their recruiting ranks are a bit inflated. Weber seems like a stud, but William Campbell did too.

 

[klemman]

Thanks for the info

 

[ChicagoBlueFan]

Barksdale was one of my favorites. Wouldn't go to UM because he didn't

want to play OL, so he went to LSU to play...O line.
Didn't he beat up another kid on the team at one point?
I would like to have seen Campbell play 4 years with actually competent defensive coaches. He was definitely handicapped by that, plus the great idea to not RS him his first year so he could play about 20 snaps total.

 

[Heisenburg]

"(Meyer) said he didn't know about (Drayton) leaving, that it was a last minute thing," Wilcher said. "The most important thing about my 'misleading' part was that I didn't really understand the process of recruiting behind Ohio State. I truly do now.

"I understand the ambition Urban Meyer has, I understand the integrity of Urban Meyer and I understand that he's about the welfare of the child and the wholeness of what the athletes need at the university. He instilled in me that no child will be left behind in his program.

"We did meet. We did talk. And he is the person I thought he was and the person I believe him to be. I believe our relationship is stronger now."

Sounds like the Webber situation has been cleared up at Cass.

I have a hard time believing that Urban didn't know about Drayton leaving.

link

 

[michnittlion]

Originally posted by Heisenburg:


Sounds like the Webber situation has been cleared up at Cass.

I have a hard time believing that Urban didn't know about Drayton leaving.

My intuition agrees with you ------ but Urban does have "plausible deniability." It's all he needs.

 

[bighit97]

I guess if he were really upset..... He would have protested /Challenged/Changed his situation. I think its clear...he wants to be at O'hio State. What I find more disturbing is coach Wilcher, who...all of a sudden has a "better relationship with Urban Meyer" and is funneling MICHIGANS ELITE PLAYERS TO THE STATE OF O...HI....OH. That is inexcusable....coach should be fired immediately. What say you?