Question for board: What happens if UM beats everyone left on

[Reality Man]

schedule and then OSU beats MSU. What happens for the division?


Also...which is a worse play call by staff between Minny and BC. Minny essentially wasted a play but BC only got 1 play off.



RM

 

[BigHouseBallin]

I think the tie breakers ends up being the highest ranked team in the CFP poll which means we're out with 2 losses because MSU and OSU would be ranked higher with one loss.

 

[St. Joe Blue 3]

We need two losses by MSU, and we need to beat TUOS.

 

[Reality Man]

Thank You.

What poll? BCS poll? What makes you think UM wouldn't leap frog both of these schools?


RM

 

[oldgreentar]

MSU, tOSU and Iowa all with one loss

 

[Reality Man]

I think there have been other instances of a two loss team ranked higher than a one loss team especially if he losses were 'good'...like losing on the road to Utah and flipping a win to a loss at home. I don't think there is any question UM can leap frog MSU if they lose to OSU and UM beats OSU.

I am just not sure they can leap frog OSU. Who knows with these things.


RM

 

[ArrowheadBlue]

UM beats O-lie-O; Moo-U loses two; UM beats Iowa in BIG championship. Piece of cake.

 

[michnittlion]

I think the tie breakers ends up being the highest ranked team in the CFP poll which means we're out with 2 losses because MSU and OSU would be ranked higher with one loss.

That's mostly correct ---- in the case of a 3-way tie, it's the highest ranked team in the CFP, EXCEPT if the 2nd-best team is ranked within one spot of the 1st-best team. In that case, it gets decided by who won the head-to-head matchup between those schools.

E.g., if (theoretically) MSU, OSU and U-M all go 7-1 in conference, and OSU is #3, U-M is #5 and MSU is #7 in the CFP poll, OSU goes to Indianapolis.

But bump U-M up to #4 and then U-M goes.

Now, here's a question for Jim Delaney --- you do know that the CFP isn't released until Tuesday evening every week of the year, right?

As things stand now, if U-M, OSU and MSU all go 7-1 in conference, we're likely looking at a situation where we don't know who goes to Indianapolis until Tuesday, a full 3 days after conference play concludes and only 4 days before the Indianapolis game.

 

[michigangoblue999]

I think the tie breakers ends up being the highest ranked team in the CFP poll which means we're out with 2 losses because MSU and OSU would be ranked higher with one loss.

Hmm, well Alabama with one loss is ranked higher than several undefeated teams, so I don't see why a two-loss team can't be ranked ahead of a one-loss team. In fact, it happens all the time.

That would still be quite a stretch to think UM goes undefeated the rest of the way. Probably not worth worrying about too much.

 

[michigangoblue999]

That's mostly correct ---- in the case of a 3-way tie, it's the highest ranked team in the CFP, EXCEPT if the 2nd-best team is ranked within one spot of the 1st-best team. In that case, it gets decided by who won the head-to-head matchup between those schools.

E.g., if (theoretically) MSU, OSU and U-M all go 7-1 in conference, and OSU is #3, U-M is #5 and MSU is #7 in the CFP poll, OSU goes to Indianapolis.

But bump U-M up to #4 and then U-M goes.

Now, here's a question for Jim Delaney --- you do know that the CFP isn't released until Tuesday evening every week of the year, right?

As things stand now, if U-M, OSU and MSU all go 7-1 in conference, we're likely looking at a situation where we don't know who goes to Indianapolis until Tuesday, a full 3 days after conference play concludes and only 4 days before the Indianapolis game.

Yes, I think this tiebreaker system is pretty weird. The CFB playoff poll has a say in who goes to the B1G championship game? I guess it's not the craziest way the B1G has ever decided these things, but still.

 

[michnittlion]

Yes, I think this tiebreaker system is pretty weird. The CFB playoff poll has a say in who goes to the B1G championship game? I guess it's not the craziest way the B1G has ever decided these things, but still.

The Big XII went to the BCS standings back in 2008 when Texas beat Oklahoma who beat Texas Tech who beat Texas, and they all finished 7-1 tied atop the South.

At least in that case, the BCS standings were released at 4 PM on Sunday. People who wanted to go to the Big XII title game could start planning that Sunday.

In this case, we'd be waiting until 7 PM Tuesday, another 51 hours.

It's still hilarious in retrospect that the B1G once decided who went to the Rose Bowl via a vote among opposing schools. Yeah, nothing could go poorly there: political favors, opportunities to settle old scores ...............

 

[tarun262]

Bottom line for Michigan is as follows:

• Win out all the rest of our 4 games
• Ohio State beats MSU
• Penn State beats MSU

If that happens, we make the championship game because we will have a better BIG record then MSU and we will have beaten OSU H2H. If Penn State does not beat MSU, we still have a chance but we would essentially have to be ranked 1 lower then OSU for us to have a chance, which can happen.

We are #17 right now. If we beat the next 4 teams we play (which include OSU) I fully expect that we will likely jump up to around #7 in the polls. If MSU loses to OSU they will drop and may end up being below us in the polls. If we beat OSU handily, they will likely drop to around #6 which would give us the edge.

MSU is pretty much done if they lose to OSU. They will have no shot of making the game because the game will have just been recent and OSU, even if they lose to Michigan, will be ranked higher then MSU.

OSU will be pretty much done if they lose to MSU because it will likely mean MSU goes undefeated.

Bottom line - the MSU @OSU game will be the biggest game in the BIG since that one year Michigan & OSU both played the last game with both teams undefeated. MSU has the easier path - just 1 tough opponent left and they will make the BIG championship game. Also, Iowa is legit - their defense is really tough.

It should be really interesting to watch the BIG the next few weeks. I am just hoping that Nebraska and/or Penn State step up to help Michigan out

 

[57varieties]

You allskipped the part of the tie breakers right before the rankings part it goes to overall records first

Therefore if msu has 1 loss they beat us in tie breakers

 

[tarun262]

Actually it does not - overall records are looked at after the rankings breakdown.

 

[57varieties]

Youre right i looked at it 3 weeks ago and forgot the order my bad