O'korn is awful and Peters doesn't see the field?! Peters can probably throw incompletions as well as O'Korn and at least Peters has some mobility.
How bad can Peters be?
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I agree ...if we can’t run our playbook without a turnover that’s a problem. First turnover free game and its only because JH wouldn’t let our QB throw
Keep in mind we said the same thing about O'Korn when Speight was playing.. How did that work out? - lol
The thing I don't get is that Fresh & RS Fresh are playing QB all over the place.
We have a 5th yr guy who can't get it done.
So to answer your question - How bad can Peters be?
Apparently, Harbaugh is telling us he's real bad, because what we have on the field now is bad.
We have a 5th yr guy who can't get it done.
So to answer your question - How bad can Peters be?
Apparently, Harbaugh is telling us he's real bad, because what we have on the field now is bad.
Yep. I'm wondering what all these posters have seen in practice that makes them think O'Korn should be benched?
If Khalid Hill at QB gave us the best chance to win, he'd be at QB.
Question still is, like when Hoke was endlessly roasted over this, either reason is Harbaughs fault.
A) he's missing on recruiting.
B) he's taking too long to develop QBs in the state of today's game.
Either way, blame Harbaugh. O'Korn clearly gives us best chance to win right now.
Let’s be honest..Peters will probably throw interceptions...that’s ok, as long as he throws more TDs than interceptions at a reasonable ratio to win games.
O’korn is not throwing TDs. Fumbles and interceptions without TDs lose games.
I think Peters has a better arm, more accurate and more mobile. Why not see if he can make good decisions? He is going to get tricked some...but if he doesn’t hold the ball when he shouldn’t...we can win
O’korn is not throwing TDs. Fumbles and interceptions without TDs lose games.
I think Peters has a better arm, more accurate and more mobile. Why not see if he can make good decisions? He is going to get tricked some...but if he doesn’t hold the ball when he shouldn’t...we can win
It's a huge assumption tho given the challenges with this OL and this play calling. Honestly, if they dumb it down with O'Korn & let him throw a lot more short stuff to backs, TEs and WRs I think we could at least be functional.
I hope you’re right...because JH is going to start O’Korn next week. They way it looks now, we are going to get beat by 21-28 points because we can’t keep up and the offense doesn’t stay on the field long enough and this will have the defensive group playing tired and frustrated
The difference between Peters and O'Korn is mental. Peters is probably more physically gifted but I don't think the players want to play for him. He's not a leader, and per the team almost seems uninterested in being a football player at time. O'Korn does not have the ability to play in a Pro-style offense that JH wants but works hard and the team loves him, so yeah he gives them the best shot at winning, like it or not. I think the reality is that the Peters recruit was a bust for us. With Speight coming back next year, we should be ok on paper, unless he decides to grad transfer somewhere (though I doubt it considering he would start) and I think the year after that the hope is that either Dylan M or JM are going to be pushing for a starting role as our QBs.
My biggest concern is still the O-line. Next year we will be without Kugler and Mason, our 2 best right now and we have not had great recruits across the board at the O-line position besides Ruiz and that other kid (who's name I am forgetting right now). I am not sure Ulzio will ever have what it takes to be great so curious when we will ever develop a true O-line in the near future here.
My biggest concern is still the O-line. Next year we will be without Kugler and Mason, our 2 best right now and we have not had great recruits across the board at the O-line position besides Ruiz and that other kid (who's name I am forgetting right now). I am not sure Ulzio will ever have what it takes to be great so curious when we will ever develop a true O-line in the near future here.
Here's what the MGoBlog guy posted and btw I 100% agree with his analysis here. Thought you folks reading this might enjoy this:
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How can Peters be behind this guy? I don't know. I do think even excellent coaches make mistakes and have to change their minds from time to time. Inserting Nolan Ulizio over Juwann Bushell-Beatty is an example. JBB was clearly a long way from good last year, and might still be a long way from good. Ulizio was worse, but Michigan still talked themselves into playing him. Something similar could be going on with Peters.
More likely: Michigan has a case of Joe Bolden Syndrome. Bolden generated three years of insane practice hype that never translated to the field. Not even the previous two years of experience could entirely douse it when Bolden was a rising senior; we were still treated to varying levels of "this guy is Devin Bush, but tall!" despite the fact Bolden had barely been replacement-level in two years as a starter. This wasn't even a guy shrouded in the mists of recruiting accolades and the bench. This was a guy who everyone had seen start for two solid years, and yet.
Bolden was once again barely replacement-level as a senior, and it was very frustrating when Ben Gedeon had a one-year run as a starting LB vastly better than the guy he replaced. Gedeon is starting on the Vikings defense as a rookie; Bolden is a grad assistant at WSU. Michigan would have been better off benching Bolden for Gedeon as soon as Gedeon was a sophomore.
My best guess as to how this happened: Bolden was a memorizer. He had the Michigan offense's playbook and was totally awesome when he saw something he recognized. He did this all the time in practice, thus the hype. When he was faced with things not quite entirely unlike Michigan's offense in live-fire play he froze, because he was a memorizer. Gedeon extrapolated: he could understand football principles and adapt on the fly based on his knowledge of the game. He had instincts. Bolden did not.
O'Korn might be good when he's seen the same defense for dozens or even hundreds of reps. He clearly has no ability to go from read one to read two, let alone three, unless he's in a situation he's seen a bunch. Or Purdue is playing, I guess? I don't know. Football is weird and complicated.
Anyway: what I'd heard this fall was that Peters only had command of a small section of the playbook and had a tendency to make explosively bad mistakes. Michigan's already whittled the passing game down to bare bones and is suffering explosively bad mistakes from their quarterback. I can't imagine Peters doesn't emerge here.
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How can Peters be behind this guy? I don't know. I do think even excellent coaches make mistakes and have to change their minds from time to time. Inserting Nolan Ulizio over Juwann Bushell-Beatty is an example. JBB was clearly a long way from good last year, and might still be a long way from good. Ulizio was worse, but Michigan still talked themselves into playing him. Something similar could be going on with Peters.
More likely: Michigan has a case of Joe Bolden Syndrome. Bolden generated three years of insane practice hype that never translated to the field. Not even the previous two years of experience could entirely douse it when Bolden was a rising senior; we were still treated to varying levels of "this guy is Devin Bush, but tall!" despite the fact Bolden had barely been replacement-level in two years as a starter. This wasn't even a guy shrouded in the mists of recruiting accolades and the bench. This was a guy who everyone had seen start for two solid years, and yet.
Bolden was once again barely replacement-level as a senior, and it was very frustrating when Ben Gedeon had a one-year run as a starting LB vastly better than the guy he replaced. Gedeon is starting on the Vikings defense as a rookie; Bolden is a grad assistant at WSU. Michigan would have been better off benching Bolden for Gedeon as soon as Gedeon was a sophomore.
My best guess as to how this happened: Bolden was a memorizer. He had the Michigan offense's playbook and was totally awesome when he saw something he recognized. He did this all the time in practice, thus the hype. When he was faced with things not quite entirely unlike Michigan's offense in live-fire play he froze, because he was a memorizer. Gedeon extrapolated: he could understand football principles and adapt on the fly based on his knowledge of the game. He had instincts. Bolden did not.
O'Korn might be good when he's seen the same defense for dozens or even hundreds of reps. He clearly has no ability to go from read one to read two, let alone three, unless he's in a situation he's seen a bunch. Or Purdue is playing, I guess? I don't know. Football is weird and complicated.
Anyway: what I'd heard this fall was that Peters only had command of a small section of the playbook and had a tendency to make explosively bad mistakes. Michigan's already whittled the passing game down to bare bones and is suffering explosively bad mistakes from their quarterback. I can't imagine Peters doesn't emerge here.
I had heard that Peters was not real dedicated to the hard work necessary to be successful. He is not necessarily a team guy. He tanked some of his responsibilities when he found out he was not in the top 2 QB's entering the fall. He is not really on top of the playbook and cannot be trusted in the heat of battle to make good decisions. I see the staff not willing to burn Mccaffrey's redshirt and have him take over for Speight after the 2018 season.
