Here is the difference between the kids vs. Alabama (Saban) and

[Reality Man]

UM (Harbaugh). This is regards to a recent 'cut' by Saban.


These kids can change their mind. Sure...but the program they de-commit from has 20 guys who are going to sign give or take some whereas the kid who gets the 'surprise' has a limited amount of time to go find another suitor.

Does this kid really have the opportunity to due his due diligence? As Michnittlion and others have said...if recruiting has 'evolved' into this dog eat dog world then have an early signing period where the kids can force the coaches to accept their declaration/commitment.

My main problem is pulling the rug from under some of these kids at the last minute. Now the following is very important.

If a kid declares for 'x' university in let's say June of 2015. I shouldn't feel overly sorry for the kid if had the opportunity to 'sign' early in let's say November of 2015. Two signing periods would absolutely eliminate any hard feelings on both parties. Give the kids a 90 day period or so (after the season high school season) to go find another school which I believe is plenty of time and allow the coaches to back off a declaration when they have changed their mind.

What Saban/Harbaugh are doing by backing off at the LAST minute is not right. 90 days...it solves the problems and allows everyone to put their chips on the table so to speak.


RM

 

[michigangoblue999]

There's nothing magical about signing day. You can sign after that date, just not before.

Feeling sorry for kids getting a free education is kind of funny. They have opportunities the vast majority of kids will never have. I think your concern is misplaced, to say the least.

 

[detroitjohn]

That's all fine, but the victims you're advocating for are landing at Oklahoma and Temple, hardly refugee camps for the disenfranchised. I would not mind an early signing period though it would not solve all the world's evils. There just doesn't seem like there is a significant outcry for reform.

 

[tarun262]

Why are you guys ascertaining these posts from RM? I honestly think he gets bored out of his mind. He is missing the point that it is about education and not football and these kids still have 100s of options to get a great education regardless of when you tell them. Infact, even if you decide not to accept a signed letter on Feb 3, classes don't start until August/Sept which still gives kids plenty of time. Football is a privilege and nothing is given. You could go to a team and stink or you could excel but you have to work for it.

Not sure where the heck you went to school and how that worked but when I got into Michigan, I got accepted in September my Sr year in HS but I still had to give them my transcripts in May to show I was eligible. Basically it meant if my GPA went from 3.8/3.9 I was doing, down to 2.8 they had all the rights to boot me out and there was no written rule as to what GPA I had to maintain but it was explicitly stated to me that there were stipulations to my acceptance.

So this high horse standard of yours that you talk about - you should do some research into that moving forward. It was the same thing with my first job offer that I got in January my Sr year in college but it had stipulations as well around my grades, graduation, etc. Net net, kids have to keep working and you have to keep proving yourself - acceptance is not a zero sum game. You don't know what happened on the other end and we never may know but Weaver is going to have a chance at a degree from Temple and Swenson from Oklahoma - I would say they are going to end up fine in life and decommitting from Michigan is not going to alter their life so significantly, if at all, that they are going to go for broke!

 

[Reality Man]

Wow. Amazing how some of you just don't get it and will defend anything UM to the death.

Are you saying that if a kid can get a football scholarship and chooses 'x' school over others for a variety of reasons (football or type of study or location) but can also get into the same school for other reasons he should be grateful and not complain that the football scholarship is withdrawn at the last minute?

Look for my next post on this issue because I have a nifty surprise for your consideration.

Wow. I don't what to say. Shame on you? By the way Tarun...is Fed as the greatest losing steam as Djokovic keeps beating him?



RM

 

[michnittlion]

There's nothing magical about signing day. You can sign after that date, just not before.

Feeling sorry for kids getting a free education is kind of funny. They have opportunities the vast majority of kids will never have. I think your concern is misplaced, to say the least.

EVERY sport regulated by the NCAA has an early signing period except three. Football, men's soccer, and men's water polo.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't see anything fundamentally different about those 3 sports vs. basketball, ice hockey, volleyball, golf, baseball, rifle, field hockey, tennis, et cetera ------ e.g., the 85-90% of NCAA sports that do have an early signing period.

Why is football different (besides powerful folk who are holding up this measure)? Better questions: why should football be different? What am I missing, what is fundamentally different about football vs. all those other sports?

 

[St. Joe Blue 3]

EVERY sport regulated by the NCAA has an early signing period except three. Football, men's soccer, and men's water polo.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't see anything fundamentally different about those 3 sports vs. basketball, ice hockey, volleyball, golf, baseball, rifle, field hockey, tennis, et cetera ------ e.g., the 85-90% of NCAA sports that do have an early signing period.

Why is football different (besides powerful folk who are holding up this measure)? Better questions: why should football be different? What am I missing, what is fundamentally different about football vs. all those other sports?

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[michnittlion]

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There's quite a bit of $$$ in college basketball too.

College hoops didn't have an early signing-period until the mid 2000s. There was some opposition back then, but now 10 years after its implementation it's nearly universally considered a good thing.

 

[LetsGOBlue!]

Football is different than other sports...no doubt. The fact that they have 85 Full athletic schol. versus the limited number in other sports. As in baseball (only 11.7 schol. for 30+players) early signing allows for coaches to figure a way to divie up athletic $$ for other recruits after they get the early signees out of the way....in football everyone gets 85.
Not sure just a guess....The fact that so many football coaches are fired at the end of the season would also cause a lot of early signees want out of the LOI they just signed.
The system is flawed but without a doubt but the kids are not victims....they get the education for free.

 

[detroitjohn]

Football is different than other sports...no doubt. The fact that they have 85 Full athletic schol. versus the limited number in other sports. As in baseball (only 11.7 schol. for 30+players) early signing allows for coaches to figure a way to divie up athletic $$ for other recruits after they get the early signees out of the way....in football everyone gets 85.
Not sure just a guess....The fact that so many football coaches are fired at the end of the season would also cause a lot of early signees want out of the LOI they just signed.
The system is flawed but without a doubt but the kids are not victims....they get the education for free.

Nice points, welcome aboard...we're working collectively on this non-crisis, crisis, so we need all the help we can get in convincing our friends that really, everything will be fine.

 

[michnittlion]

Football is different than other sports...no doubt. The fact that they have 85 Full athletic schol. versus the limited number in other sports. As in baseball (only 11.7 schol. for 30+players) early signing allows for coaches to figure a way to divie up athletic $$ for other recruits after they get the early signees out of the way....in football everyone gets 85.
Not sure just a guess....The fact that so many football coaches are fired at the end of the season would also cause a lot of early signees want out of the LOI they just signed.
The system is flawed but without a doubt but the kids are not victims....they get the education for free.

But, college basketball has an early-signing period, AND:

(1) there are no partial scholarships there.

(2) the early-signing date is in mid-November. The coaches, if/when they get fired --- that doesn't occur until after the season, in March!!! There is a risk there for the High School athlete: yes, he can sign early and 100% lock his scholarship, but his letter ultimately says he is committing to the school and not the coach, and Coach may leave once the season ends.

As for college football having more scholarships (85), yes, that is true. I'd argue an early signing period makes roster management EASIER: all those slots and sports to keep track of, an early signing period means there are a few less spots to keep track of.

 

[tarun262]

Wow. Amazing how some of you just don't get it and will defend anything UM to the death.

Are you saying that if a kid can get a football scholarship and chooses 'x' school over others for a variety of reasons (football or type of study or location) but can also get into the same school for other reasons he should be grateful and not complain that the football scholarship is withdrawn at the last minute?

Look for my next post on this issue because I have a nifty surprise for your consideration.

Wow. I don't what to say. Shame on you? By the way Tarun...is Fed as the greatest losing steam as Djokovic keeps beating him?



RM

Remember how you thought Nadal was the GOAT??? You want me to pull up your previous posts? Name me another player that has stayed as a Top 3 for almost a dozen years??? He's 34 - Novak is 28!!! Huge difference and they are like 24-23 H2H. You really want to go there?