Common trait among good coaches...are they

[Reality Man]

*******? Starts with a A and ends with an S.

Hoke was a super nice guy. Let's leave off the competence or other traits like self discipline.

I can't think of a lot of nice great high end coaches. Carroll? John Harbaugh?

Saban, Belicheck, Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio.


My point is that to be a great coach you have to push guys and instill some measure of fear. Bo, Woody, Lombardi. You can throw in guys like McKay and others. It's not just being a jerk but it's an important part of the equation.

Your thoughts? I was listening to the Skene podcast and I think it was Balas who said Hoke had lots of signs about accountability whereas Harbaugh enforces it. To be a great coach you have to be willing to be the bad guy.



Reality Man

 

[anon_sg4bgyiuileo1]

Good coaches are intense and don't care about public perception.

 

[ArrowheadBlue]

"fear" is a very old trait. Players have to buy into the coach's philosophy, the coach sets his standards and never waivers, coach hires the very best assistants available (and is never concerned about his job), coach and his entire staff enjoy recruiting, coach is smart enough to be hired at a name brand university and most of all, like Carroll, has an energy level unknown to mankind.

 

[Reality Man]

Someone once told me (correctly) that the two primary motivating factors in life are greed and fear.

I agree that a great coach (let's use Dantonio because it's MSU week) instills discipline and uses motivational tactics to inspire his team. I think great coaches know how to hire a great staff and scout/evaluate along with developing talent. I think great coaches also know how to adapt to their personnel and construct a game plan.

You are right AB...it's more than just fear. You need your players to play for you but my OP is that your players need to respect and (IMO)....fear you. Fear that you will bench them. Fear that you will punish them and they won't play for a few weeks.

Most of these great coaches aren't particulary great guys. They are wired tight and are more interested in your respect than you liking them.

 

[ArrowheadBlue]

again, I disagree. Bo and Woody were fearless but to a man the players would kill for them. If the players "feared" those coaches this would not have happ0ened. Those coaches, and guys like The Bear and even Pete Carroll, believed in competition from the time the sun rose until it set. My great practice joy was going to a USC practice on Tue or Wed with hundreds of fans, very loud music almost a party atmosphere. Most of uSC's best games were on the practice field. The UM players said game day was a breeze compared to Bo's practices. Heard from Alabama twice - Bear and Saban. But that's not fear that motivated the players. They just wanted to prove to their coach they were worthy of playing.

Anyway, I'm glad JH is in AA

 

[detroitjohn]

*******? Starts with a A and ends with an S.

Hoke was a super nice guy. Let's leave off the competence or other traits like self discipline.

I can't think of a lot of nice great high end coaches. Carroll? John Harbaugh?

Saban, Belicheck, Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio.


My point is that to be a great coach you have to push guys and instill some measure of fear. Bo, Woody, Lombardi. You can throw in guys like McKay and others. It's not just being a jerk but it's an important part of the equation.

Your thoughts? I was listening to the Skene podcast and I think it was Balas who said Hoke had lots of signs about accountability whereas Harbaugh enforces it. To be a great coach you have to be willing to be the bad guy.



Reality Man

Tom Osbourne apparently was pretty quiet and soft-spoken

 

[Reality Man]

Good example of a decent man and great system coach.

 

[Reality Man]

I think these players definitely respect their coaches...but it comes from a sense of awe or fear. They know these guys will show them the door. Even Carr would do that. I know Bo would do that.

You have to carry that stick whether in coaching or in business. It's not the entire variable but you need to have it and most cases...coaches cracking the whip is a common trait among the most successful.

I could come up with a list of 25 if I had to...some

Auerbach
Riley
Holtzman
Daley
Jackson
Saban
Bo
Woody


Remember that picture of Bo holding the ruler back in the day. He ruled with an iron fist.

 

[ArrowheadBlue]

Tom Osborne, a quiet quality man? RM you must be 10 years old. Under Osborne, Nebraska led the NCAA in recruiting outlaws. Funny how 5 Cornhuskers ended in jail in, I think 1996, and 3 in 97. Lawrence Phillips, who dragged a woman down the staircase by her hair and was allowed to play in the final game, murdered his cellmate the other month.

Nice, quiet, Congressman type of guy with few principles when it came to to recruiting kids that no other school could touch because of their criminal background.

 

[detroitjohn]

Tom Osborne, a quiet quality man? RM you must be 10 years old. Under Osborne, Nebraska led the NCAA in recruiting outlaws. Funny how 5 Cornhuskers ended in jail in, I think 1996, and 3 in 97. Lawrence Phillips, who dragged a woman down the staircase by her hair and was allowed to play in the final game, murdered his cellmate the other month.

Nice, quiet, Congressman type of guy with few principles when it came to to recruiting kids that no other school could touch because of their criminal background.

Yes I remember he had some really bad apples but Bo's legacy is measured by say Tony Boles who has had a disastrous adulthood. Osborne was highly intelligent (PhD I believe), highly respected and highly successful

 

[ArrowheadBlue]

and he also was a Congressman which, judging from past events, is akin to being a barker at Coney Island. Nonetheless, his victories 90s was the results of recruiting thugs, rapists, two murderers and a few others I can't remember and there was NO consequences for their actions during football season. I remember the press conference he stormed out of when Tommie was asked: "if that girl that was dragged down the staircase was your daughter would Lawrence Phillips be playing in the ? bowl. Nice response.

 

[ArrowheadBlue]

and let me add, Osborne had good SoCal recruiting success because the kids he recruited could not qualify even for USC, a private school. Again, respected by coaches. And Boles and others like Billy Taylor may have had terrible lives after leaving UM but not during their stays in college. Taylor collected his PhD, as I recall. Osborne reminded me of St. John Wooden. Check out the L.A. Times reporting on his bag man, the first booster prohibited by the NCAA to step foot on the UCLA campus. St. John won because of sacks loads of cash by Sam Gilbert. Look it up! if good mentors are judged only by Ws and Ls on the college level, we're in a world of hurt. You may recall JH asking his position coach in 1985 what kind of team will we have this year coach? He was told "ask me again in 25 years." You'd have to ask Osborn's kids the same questions but in jail.

 

[ChicagoBlueFan]

Tom Osborne, a quiet quality man? RM you must be 10 years old. Under Osborne, Nebraska led the NCAA in recruiting outlaws. Funny how 5 Cornhuskers ended in jail in, I think 1996, and 3 in 97. Lawrence Phillips, who dragged a woman down the staircase by her hair and was allowed to play in the final game, murdered his cellmate the other month.

Nice, quiet, Congressman type of guy with few principles when it came to to recruiting kids that no other school could touch because of their criminal background.

Osborne was a total POS. No doubt about it.

 

[detroitjohn]

Alright I will defer to my Woverine brothers on Osborne...it's MSU Week and I'm locked into getting Dantonio's head on the end of a proverbial pike

 

[svblue]

*******? Starts with a A and ends with an S.

Hoke was a super nice guy. Let's leave off the competence or other traits like self discipline.

I can't think of a lot of nice great high end coaches. Carroll? John Harbaugh?

Saban, Belicheck, Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio.


My point is that to be a great coach you have to push guys and instill some measure of fear. Bo, Woody, Lombardi. You can throw in guys like McKay and others. It's not just being a jerk but it's an important part of the equation.

Your thoughts? I was listening to the Skene podcast and I think it was Balas who said Hoke had lots of signs about accountability whereas Harbaugh enforces it. To be a great coach you have to be willing to be the bad guy.



Reality Man

back when Jim was at SF

 

[svblue]

the joke my wife and I had was that both our teams (me - 49er's and her Seahawks) both
had dbags for coaches. Great coaches but still dbags in some respects.

The Pete/Jim rival goes back to USC/Stanford as well and living here on the west coast
we have seen it for many years.

Forgetting the "dbag" stuff one common trait of Pete/Jim is that they treat everything
as a competition and absolutely want to win at everything.

Guess that does make them a little "dbaggy" but that over the top drive probably makes
them the coaches they are along with the success they have had.

 

[St. Joe Blue 3]

Another common thread of the great coaches seems to be the capability of being able to be extreme micro managers and great delegators ... simultaneously.

 

[uscdriver]

*******? Starts with a A and ends with an S.

Hoke was a super nice guy. Let's leave off the competence or other traits like self discipline.

I can't think of a lot of nice great high end coaches. Carroll? John Harbaugh?

Saban, Belicheck, Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio.


My point is that to be a great coach you have to push guys and instill some measure of fear. Bo, Woody, Lombardi. You can throw in guys like McKay and others. It's not just being a jerk but it's an important part of the equation.

Your thoughts? I was listening to the Skene podcast and I think it was Balas who said Hoke had lots of signs about accountability whereas Harbaugh enforces it. To be a great coach you have to be willing to be the bad guy.



Reality Man

You don't consider Pete Carroll a good coach?

 

[detroitjohn]

You don't consider Pete Carroll a good coach?

I think he's saying he is a good coach, just a mean wanker like the rest of his list. Carroll's a great coach, a cheater, seems nice enough, and belongs in the NFL where he can be watched like a hawk. I hope he's never permitted to take another NCAA job (kind of ala Tressell).