Notre Dumb accused of crime coverups

[Aoichi]

Nice diversion: JPII and Benedict (at least) were complicit as were (are) dioceses all over the world. Don't act like the clergy's involvement in the past is ancient history as it is ongoing.

Watch the Frontline documentary.

 

[domer1976]

Originally posted by Aoichi:
Nice diversion: JPII and Benedict (at least) were complicit as were (are) dioceses all over the world. Don't act like the clergy's involvement in the past is ancient history as it is ongoing.

Watch the Frontline documentary.

I agree.

Now, you don't act like the Catholic Church is alone in in its complicity as an institution. You need look no farther than your conference member, Penn St., to see its ugly expression. And as I noted, whether the U of Mich sanctions it institutionally or not, there are plenty of alumni who are perpetrators. Even professors and administrators, I'd venture.

 

[Aoichi]

You just never stop excusing and deflecting, do you?

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by Aoichi:
Read VatiLeaks -- the Church has been covering up pedophilia since the MIDDLE AGES!!

And you, Domer, are an ostrich.

Using that website can you please show where Notre Dame football, and the people posting here have anything to do with your tin foil hat posts?

If not, I understand. After all I'm sure the aliens burned the proof when they stole bigfoot from Atlantis when they came here to plot JFK's assassination.

 

[Mazatlan]

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:

Originally posted by Aoichi:
Read VatiLeaks -- the Church has been covering up pedophilia since the MIDDLE AGES!!

And you, Domer, are an ostrich.

Using that website can you please show where Notre Dame football, and the people posting here have anything to do with your tin foil hat posts?

So if his points are so irrelevant why do we have a flock of Notre Dame fans trying to so hard to deny them? Particularly when you factor in the personal vehemence, attempt to ridicule, and straw man arguments. For example does "bigfoot" and "JFK's assassination" ring a bell?

 

[Aoichi]

The connection is you turds showing up here claiming moral superiority when just the OPPOSITE is true.

Ostriches.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by Aoichi:
The connection is you turds showing up here claiming moral superiority when just the OPPOSITE is true.

Ostriches.

So does that mean you can't make the connection using that website? Or that your vocabulary is limited to terms such as 'rape' and 'turds'?

Just wanted to see what proof you are using to show that posters on this board, and players at the university have to do with your accusations. Since you drone on and on about this. I figured you could readily give out the concrete proof linking those two directly.

Does that wiki site not include how to answer that question? Do you need a phone a friend? Or a 50/50?

 

[Aoichi]

What Wiki site?

The connection, and I'll repeat it for the duller types here like you, is the predilection to sweep everything under the rug -- It's in your genetic code.

Who was it that compared what's happening at ND with PSU, a secular institution, the other day -- Domer'76? I think he forgot that Paterno and Sandusky were/are in the same cult as is ND.

It's pretty funny that you all are quick to criticize me but none of you have had the balls to watch the Frontline show.

Do so, educate yourself, and stop on back.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by Aoichi:
What Wiki site?

The connection, and I'll repeat it for the duller types here like you, is the predilection to sweep everything under the rug -- It's in your genetic code.

Who was it that compared what's happening at ND with PSU, a secular institution, the other day -- Domer'76? I think he forgot that Paterno and Sandusky were/are in the same cult as is ND.

It's pretty funny that you all are quick to criticize me but none of you have had the balls to watch the Frontline show.

Do so, educate yourself, and stop on back.

The one you specifically mention

All you have to do is show me where a ND football player had any part in any of this. Just one instance. 1 direct link. That's all I need. Figure ND has been playing football since 1887. That is 128 years of players (including the huge ones before scholarship restrictions). It shouldn't be that hard for you. Unless of course you just wanted to type 'rape' and 'turd' more. Because the last time you made this thread it turned out so well you had to change handles.

 

[Aoichi]

I'll say this slowly for the learning impaired like you: t h e c o m m o n t h r e a d i s c o v e r - u p !

Ignore and sweep chit under the rug -- that's the way you all roll (all the while claiming moral superiority).

Watch the Frontline show and stop acting like an idiot.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by Aoichi:
I'll say this slowly for the learning impaired like you: t h e c o m m o n t h r e a d i s c o v e r - u p !

Ignore and sweep chit under the rug -- that's the way you all roll (all the while claiming moral superiority).

Watch the Frontline show and stop acting like an idiot.

So does this mean you don't have a name. Of anyone... At any time... Anywhere... You honestly believe that 128 years of players including teams that were north of 150 players, drunks, druggies, semi-professional players, and championship teams. That not one person, not one. Not a single person would let something like this slip in the wrong conversation and make a news headline? Not 1 time?

 

[Aoichi]

Uhh, moron, when did I say I "had a name"?

You suck at reading.

 

[IrishBlooded]

I watched your entire Frontline special.

Total number of times the following words are used:

Notre
Dame
Football

All three are mentioned a total number of 0 times.

So unless you have something that actually ties Notre Dame to these you need to stop. No one on here makes the idiotic jump in tin foil hat land of blaming every Michigan graduate for every serial killer death ever because a serial killer at one time attended the University of Michigan. That is exactly what you are trying to do. The fact that you don't see that worries me. You have small man problems. Some people actually have a dialogue of a little trash talk leading up to games, and you can't handle that. So you come up with some line that ND football players are empowering a vicious crime. And you are not doing it to be funny. You are doing it as a seriously disturbed person. Why you are allowed to mention ND and rape and all that together, and the mods not care. I don't know. But in 2 different threads I have only ever asked you to name any connection directly between ND and these crimes. You have yet to give me one. Anywhere, at any time.

This tells me you don't have it. All you have is your little push pins and threads in a map of conspiracies.

So again I ask, show me that direct connection. And why don't you use this argument with Georgetown, or Boston College. Not to mention the hundreds of Catholic hospitals in the US. Do you have the same argument with all of them?

 

[Aoichi]

You're really quite dense, aren't you?

The parallel being drawn here is between ND's propensity to sweep things under the rug just like you saw numerous times if you really watched the Frontline show.

Why am I not berating BC or GTown?

Simple, none of their fans are chronic trolls on this, a UM, board. None of them are here claiming moral superiority. In sum, only ND dipchits like you are here.

 

[IrishBlooded]

I have never said or insinuated I was better then any person. But I do ask for proof. I ask for you to come up with showing where ND has any part of this. Anything. Just give me a link. You were so big on posting link after link earlier. So post me the link the puts ND in these crimes. Anywhere, at any time. Why can't you do that?

In the meanwhile I pray you never need to go to a Catholic hospital.

 

[Aoichi]

Not did I call you out personally, did I? It seems you're overly sensitive and not focus on the point at hand which, for the bajiliionth time, is that ND loves to sweep stuff under the carpet which is also a popular motif at the mother ship.

Birds of a feather...

By God, you are about the densest Domer to frequent this board. Obviously not an ND grad -- they are smart.

I had surgery at a Catholic hospital a few years ago -- it is part of a larger corporate group (no different than the rest). I was not struck down by lightning -- sorry to disappoint.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Of course I am being dense to you. Because I am asking for proof. And you don't have it. So all you can do is try to belittle me. And I understand that. If you are losing an argument it makes sense to change the subject. You could talk to my 12 year old daughter and she could tell you that you have no proof, no premise, no anything to presume that ND has anything to do with your tin foil hat conspiracy.

So again, go and find a link that has anything to do with linking the two. Your frontline special that you went on and on about didn't do it. Your vatileaks didn't have anything to do with it, your other links you keep recycling have nothing to do with it. So just show me 1 that does.

 

[Ara64]

Given the hatred between Michigan and Notre Dame; it's hard to believe that Michigan taught ND the game of football, and ND's first head coach was a Michigan man. The story goes that the Michigan team arrived by train to South Bend and was welcomed with a huge feast. The next day they played three football games and had another huge feast. The Michigan team was escorted back to the train station and gave them a rousing send off by the whole ND student body.

I personally like Michigan and hope you great success. ESPN just wants to give ND a little bad press. It galls them that ND rejected their higher bid some eight years ago and continued their partnership with NBC. ND didn't even open the bidding up to other media sources last year and extended their agreement with NBC. It gives some of you something to gnaw on so have at it and good luck.

 

[Aoichi]

You want me to provide proof of a claim I never made?

Simply brilliant...you are not very bright.

 

[Mazatlan]

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I have never said or insinuated I was better then any person. But I do ask for proof.

Proof of what? That unless a Notre Dame player is directly named in something, a brand name used to promote the Catholic Church in advancing their religion is sacrosanct?

Here are the facts:

1. The Church has actively engaged for centuries in a cover-up to thwart the investigation and prosecution of criminals

2. While apologists regularly claim this is "old news," in fact there are many recent cases of this. i.e. having lawyers argue the specious claim that because these were priests, therefore any conversation or even admitting they were in the presence of the child in question....is shielded as part of the "ministerial process."

We're not talking about confession, or even someone counseling them to talk with God about their problems. The argument made in court was that EVERY SINGLE PAGE OF THEIR RECORDS were exempt under the claim. On that basis if they went to a Notre Dame football game, that too was part of the "ministerial process" and could not be released to the police.

You see where I'm going here. Notre Dame wants to have it both ways just like the church in general. The Notre Dame police are both public and private at the same time, just as the church is a ministerial process regardless of what they're doing. It's hypocrisy and another fact is Notre Dame is major part of the church in terms of gaining visibility.

The net result is if Notre Dame is part of the Church's outreach for publicity and attention -- and of course they are -- then they also part of everything else. Particularly when they're using the very same "private - privacy" argument to shield the PD records from the public.

Including

 

[okirish34]

LOL. Is this the same idiot that absolutely lost it after ND blew out Michigan this year? I for one am surprised you would ever come back here after suck a pathetic display.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by Mazatlan:

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I have never said or insinuated I was better then any person. But I do ask for proof.

Proof of what? That unless a Notre Dame player is directly named in something, a brand name used to promote the Catholic Church in advancing their religion is sacrosanct?

Here are the facts:

1. The Church has actively engaged for centuries in a cover-up to thwart the investigation and prosecution of criminals

2. While apologists regularly claim this is "old news," in fact there are many recent cases of this. i.e. having lawyers argue the specious claim that because these were priests, therefore any conversation or even admitting they were in the presence of the child in question....is shielded as part of the "ministerial process."

We're not talking about confession, or even someone counseling them to talk with God about their problems. The argument made in court was that EVERY SINGLE PAGE OF THEIR RECORDS were exempt under the claim. On that basis if they went to a Notre Dame football game, that too was part of the "ministerial process" and could not be released to the police.

You see where I'm going here. Notre Dame wants to have it both ways just like the church in general. The Notre Dame police are both public and private at the same time, just as the church is a ministerial process regardless of what they're doing. It's hypocrisy and another fact is Notre Dame is major part of the church in terms of gaining visibility.

The net result is if Notre Dame is part of the Church's outreach for publicity and attention -- and of course they are -- then they also part of everything else. Particularly when they're using the very same "private - privacy" argument to shield the PD records from the public.

Including

I'm not trying to make this old news, I'm not trying to deflect from it. I'm not trying to say that ND didn't do anything wrong.

I'm saying that unless you have absolutely any shred of anything. Then you have absolutely nothing. Saying that ND is guilty purely on the basis they are religious. Okay. Then call every single religious person in the world guilty of these crimes. But you can't do that, because that isn't realistic. So now you limit it to a specific religion, in a specific setting, at a specific time, and place. And in none of that is ND ever mentioned. You can't hold ND in contempt of guilt with absolutely not a single shred of evidence of proof anywhere. Again, this would be like me saying that every person to ever attend the University of Michigan is a serial killer that likes to smell the pieces of mutilated bodies. Because 1 time a Michigan grad did that. Now back here in sane logical world, doesn't that sound stupid? So again. Find some shred of proof, or evidence or a connection in ANY OTHER WAY that names Notre Dame to this.

Originally the argument was that all we had to do was use the links and that would explain it. All I have asked for in this entire thread, is a link from these horrific crimes. To Notre Dame. I have yet to have anything even close to resembling something that could be mistaken for a link brought forth.

In the case that started this entire thread. It was about protecting a private issue at a ND / Michigan football game. It was a man that fell down a set of steps in the administration building. And since it happened on private property, and everything was settled privately. There was no public record of it. I'm sure that is because of tin foil hat man's conspiracy also. I bet he actually was transporting the body of Elvis to the new hanger 51 under touchdown Jesus where they will put it on ice and wait for alien overlords to return from Planet X-bop and show us the secrets to living in the ocean with Nessy and the mer-people.

 

[Mazatlan]

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:

In the case that started this entire thread. It was about protecting a private issue at a ND / Michigan football game. It was a man that fell down a set of steps in the administration building. And since it happened on private property, and everything was settled privately. There was no public record of it. I'm sure that is because of tin foil hat man's conspiracy also. I bet he actually was transporting the body of Elvis to the new hanger 51 under touchdown Jesus where they will put it on ice and wait for alien overlords to return from Planet X-bop and show us the secrets to living in the ocean with Nessy and the mer-people.

How convenient for you to claim there must a direct case of Notre Dame being involved in pedophilia or the cover up of the same. However that would ignore the fact Notre Dame is used a model to promote the Catholic Church. It would also ignore the generations of Fathers in administration and students who later who went into the priesthood who could easily meet your requirement, but are being protected from exposure by the Church's cover up. So we don't have accessibility to their crimes.

It's apparent straw man arguments, and continuously resorting to a mocking and in your face style is your kind of thing. I'm reminded of a certain English playwright who wrote "the lady doth protest too much."

P.S. It's generally more effective to get your mocking points correctly aligned with real locations. Area 51 [/I]is a [/I]real place, "hanger 51" isn't. [/I]

 

[capn34]

Okay, after digesting these two pages I have come to these conclusions.


All schools cover up. They cover up for professors and big donors. They cover up for athletes and coaches. They even cover up for students. Not all the time, but if it is embarrassing for the university they try to cover it up.

All universities have academic fraud. Players get steered to sympathetic professors. There are what I would describe as fake majors that have no place at a major university. Let's face it many, if not a majority of major sport athletes could not get into the university they are attending. Most don't have the skills to succeed a real academic path, so fake remedial courses exist for them.

The Catholic Church is a mess and rotten to the core, but are trying to fix its core. This however does not necessarily reflect on Notre Dame. I kind of look at each Order separately, some Orders have not had the issues and are above the mess, some are down right awful and the scum of the earth.

What always gets me about the people who are attacking Christianitly and the Catholic Chuch is that 99% say nothing about Islam, which is the true scourge of the Earth right now. This religion promotes no rights for women, kills homosexuals, allows murder, child brides, and wants to have their own set of laws. BS it is a peaceful religion. It is a religion stuck in he Middle Ages. But the Christianity haters don't hav the guts to say anything because they know if they spoke with that voracity, they would look over their shoulder the rest of their life.

 

[Aoichi]

If there were Osama bin Laden U. trolls here claiming moral superiority, believe me, they would get it, too.

In my mind, the fact that Islam may or may not be worse than Catholicism is irrelevant. They are bot f'd up IMO.